Lynn says the conversation started about another family member who gave birth to a boy:
MIL: “They (the parent’s) have                     decided not to circumcise BOY” 
                  Me: “They need to circumcise him” 
                  MIL: “No Lynn, they’ve done a lot of research and                     they’ve decided not to”
              Me: “He definitely needs                     to be circumcised!”
This goes on for a while until Lynn finally reveals her very important reason for having a baby boy circumcised:
                  MIL: “I’m not sure that you’re aware of all the new                     research Lynn” 
                  Me: “The hell with the research. He needs to be                     circumcised” 
                   MIL: (Starting to get visibly upset…agitated even)                      “Why? Why do you keep saying that Lynn?” Me:                     “It’s just really important” 
MIL: “WHY? WHY                     LYNN, WHY?”
               
                  Me: “Why MIL? I’ll tell you why!”
Me: “are you sure you want to know?”
Me:  “Because...”                     (wait for it … wait for it!) “… if he  doesn’t get                     circumcised there’s no way that kid is  EVER going to                     get a BLOWJOB!!!”
              
           
            
Let those last words sink in before you go                 on.
           
           
              Then, at the very end of this blog post, she writes:
I’ve never had a run in with a guy with a hoodie and I really can’t say whether the kid ever got a blowjob but I was just doing my part, watching out for the welfare of a minor. Do you agree? Or disagree? I really don’t care…I was just asking.
           
              Lynn, care or not, you invited comments.
           
               This all goes back to men being judged and not accepted                  in this society. Their penises will never be good                  enough. They are taught to be ashamed of what they have,                  even before birth. The same attitude that I                  struggle with every single day, knowing how much damage                  it does.  These messages go in deep.
           
               I'm not a man, but I am a mother. I am a mother of two                  boys. I have a vested interest in how these attitudes                  affect men because my boys will one day be men. I have                  also observed how these attitudes affect relationships,                  mine included.
           
              We need to get back to  basics. Go all the way back to                 the beginning. Are boys  born with "extra" skin because                 there's no purpose for  it? Why are we so arrogant, as a                 society, that we  believe that we need to alter someone                 else's genitals to  fit into our idea of "perfect",                 despite all the                   risks that come with surgery,  despite that this is                 not our body to make these  decisions, despite causing                 major emotional and physical  trauma to the point of a                 majority of men in our society  regularly display symptoms                    of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome for what was                 done to them *before conscious memory*?
           
               I say before conscious memory, because they love to                  remind you that babies won't remember this little                  "snip". I don't agree. I have been taught that the body,                  every cell in the body, in fact, holds memory of every                  trauma that happens. Counseling and therapy teaches this concept.  Very important and effective therapeutic                 techniques have  been developed around this whole idea.
           
               If you are physically assaulted before you reach the age                  of 2, does that mean it won't affect you? If you are                  drugged and lose consciousness and raped, does that not                  count?
           
              I propose that the pain and  trauma of infant/child                 circumcision is not only  unnecessary, but damaging.
           
              And it  enforces the belief that men are not perfect,                 that their  penises are not beautiful, that there's                 nothing they  can do about it, that they will never be                 good enough.
           
               Also, joking about cutting off pieces of a person's                  genitals minimizes the trauma the cut individual                  experiences, sending another message that that person's                  feelings are unimportant.
           
               Interestingly, Lynn's original post got some attention                  again recently and attracted some pro-intact comments. Many of                  the comments were thoughtful and educated. I got the                  distinct impression, though, that many people did not                  like the suggestion that circumcision is unnecessary.                  Lynn followed up with a post dated June 15, 2011 which                  she titled "In                    which i respond to the bullshit"  (her -lack of-                 capitalization), implying that having to  be forced to                 have this conversation, or the subject  matter, is                 "bullshit", and therefore is unimportant.
           
               This reflects perfectly the way women are taught to                  behave in this North American society: shame your men,                  pick them apart, then when someone speaks up, silence                  them quickly. Ignore the issue, ignore the shame, ignore                  the damage that is done to our men, and then tell them not to  express any emotion about it!  (Example:  "Big boys don't cry.")
           
               Lynn also mentions at the very end of the second post                  that her family is Jewish and her son's circumcision was                  part of a religious ceremony. I really hate bringing                  religion into this, so I'll just mention the fact that                  there are plenty of links here on the blog for anyone to                  start their own research into the religious aspect. I am                  certainly not the proper person to present reasons and                  examples for not doing this for religion. I will,                  however, say that all children should be allowed the                  same religious freedom adults enjoy in this country, and                  be allowed to grow up and make up their own minds about                  what God they will or will not believe in, and not have                  to endure permanent marks on their bodies that are a                  symbol of their parents' beliefs. There are many cases                  of children growing up to                    follow a completely different spiritual path than                 the one in which they were raised:
More  than                   a third of the population practices a religion  other                   than what they were raised in.
               (quote: "More than one-quarter of American adults, 28%,                  have left the faith in which they were raised in favor                  of another religion, or no religion at all. If change in                  affiliation from one type of Protestantism to another is                  included, 44% of adults have either switched religious                  affiliation, moved from being unaffiliated with any                  religion to being affiliated with a particular faith, or                  dropped any connection to a specific religious tradition                  altogether.")
            
And yes, Lynn, I have a sense of humor. That's not the point in objecting to your blog post (or "funny story" as you call it) as you suggested with other reader comments. I just don't find anything funny at all about nonconsensual, unnecessary cosmetic surgery on a person too young to understand what is being forced upon them.
And like you are so fond of saying yourself, if you don't like what I have to say, move on. Or, to quote you exactly: "This blog is not for the light-hearted or easily offended. If either one of those descriptions applies to you, I suggest you start drinking before you read this blog. A sense of humor is suggested. If you don't have one that sucks for you... find one and get a life!" I am a person that is extremely hard to offend and if you can't handle this blog's truth about child circumcision, then I suggest to you that you should not be so self-righteous and flippant about cutting up their genitals and assuming what their sexual preferences will be when they grow up.
Disclaimer: I did not write this to try to change Lynn's mind. Her son is grown now and I probably wouldn't have changed her mind anyway. I wrote this in an attempt to dispel some myths and present the fact that this surgery is unnecessary. I am not trying to start an internet war. I want readers to understand why I believe Lynn's story is not "funny", but in fact damaging. You know what is funny? This:
What do a Rubik's Cube and a penis have in common?
The more you play with them, the harder they get.
On that note, I wish you all a fantastic day.                 
           
           
           
              More research:
              
                Psychological Impact of Circumcision
              
                British Journal of Medical Society report
Medical                   Studies on Circumcision
            
Trauma held in body tissues
Trauma, memory, and cybernetic structure of the mind
Cellular Memory and IET
Jews Against Circumcision
Beyond the Bris
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7 comments:
Monica, I whole-heartedly agree.
Everyone deserves to feel worthy and accepted for who they are. Some people aren't really comprehending that we are talking about literally ripping away, crushing, and slicing off a part of someone else's body. It's NOT okay to take a piece of someone else'es body without their permission, parent or not. It's NOT okay to shame the males of America into thinking that their genitals aren't good enough the way they were born. It's NOT okay.
Intactivists aren't motivated by hatred for parents who think differently, we aren't motivated by judgment or hate or criticism. We are motivated because we believe in standing up for the rights of every baby, of both genders and from parents of every religion. Everyone deserves a whole body. Everyone deserves to feel accepted and confident in who they are. <3<3<3
Read the stupid "bullshit" response recently. All I've gotta say to that is, hah hah. Yeah. "I don't care. Which is why I had to post a rant to justify myself." Hee-yeah. Can't you just smell the apathy? ;-)
Excellent post! I'm still trying to figure out how parents can be so displeased with the baby they just spent nine months protecting and then once they see it's a boy, they see the child's body as deformed... Then they take him home in bloody bandages. Wish that blogger would've been thinking about that instead of the boy's future blow jobs.
Having had experience of both intact and circumcised oral sex I would like to point out that from a woman's perspective it is much more fun when you have all those nerves to play with. When the whole area is supersensative it doesn't take that long and doesn't have to involve you getting a sore throat just for him to enjoy. I think the knowledge that all you ahve to do is roll back the skin in your mouth or with your hand should you want to give him even more pleasure makes the 'extra skin impression' that seems to scare some women, could help. The idea that as a parent you are inflicting surgery on your child because of your sexual preference is quite frankly akin to child abuse. I am saying that all who circumcise are abusers - I am saying that to do it with the only reason being how you prefer to have sex to be extreamly questionable. I am aware that many parents have circumcised believing they were doing the right thing - for them I am so sorry because they were abused by the medical profession - who do this for money and not for future health. For the men who have been circumcised - I am so sorry - on reading my comment you may well feel that you got the raw end of the deal - yes you did - so make sure you don't do it to your boy if/when the time comes.
KC
The conversation Lynn had with her MIL does not do Lynn credit. That she saw fit to blog that conversation does her even less credit.
We should all -- cut men, intact men, women -- clean ourselves before engaging in oral sex. No bathroom, no oral. If you agree, Lynn's snarky comment comes off as smugly provincial. It also bears out my claim that in much of the USA, intact men are a despised and misunderstood sexual minority. That is changing, in good part because of women's blogs such as this one.
Not only does circumcision remove the choice of the baby, it really removes the choice from the adult male that baby turns into. That's the important part. If people want to think it's the parent's choice, why don't the parents have that choice even when the male becomes an adult? Essentially it becomes a matter of "Let's decide this for our adult male before he gains rights to decide for himself."
I'm not sure which is worse: Trying to circumcise an adult male against his will or a baby who can't fight back.
She at least admits she has never even seen a natural penis. Having experienced both, as a woman I can say the natural penis is much better for sex. As for blowjobs they both are nice, IF you know what you are doing that is. I doubt the poster has a clue.
Kathy
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